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I don’t know about you guys, but – in my opinion – the church offertory is an ideal time to carry on quiet conversation with those around you.
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one day, when we were holding contemporary service in the gym, two girls were talking behind me. They would sing the words, but whenever there was a pause, they would talk to each other!
I called ‘em out when they started talking during the prayer. I felt bad for doing it, but they were beyond the pale, I felt, and fully disturbing, at least to me but probably others around me, too.
Oh, and I love your stuff, as always!
I have to agree.
Once I had a group in the back corner start talking during the prayer and they got so loud it was distracting. So I started praying for them. After a sentence or two you heard echoing through the church, “Dude, he’s praying about us. Shut up, man!”
Good Times.
PS I thnk the offertory is when you discuss where you’re having lunch.
Haha :)
Jack – Talking during the “greet-your-neighbors” part of the service is encouraged. Talking between praise and worship songs is annoying but tolerable. Talking during the offering is cool if done quietly. Talking during prayer time is right out. :)
Darrell – That’s comedy.
If you want an ideal place to have quiet conversation during a service, volunteer to work on the sound crew in back. You even have your own isolated place to sit!
Dusty – Truer words have not been spoken! I run the projector at my church, so I get to hang in the back with the sound guys. We always have a good time. We keep a secret stash of candy and we geek out about computers. :)
I remember I was at church one time and this woman’s cell phone went off. As if that wasn’t annoying enough, she actually answered it.
“Hello?” she said into the phone. “No, I can’t talk right now, I’m at church. Church! No. I can’t… I can’t talk right now, I’m at church. Okay. Okay. Okay, bye.”
Just in case people don’t realize this, there’s a button on your phone called Power. If you push it, it turns your cell phone off and people can’t call you while you’re in church..
I think it’s funny when people answer the phone to say they can’t talk on the phone.
Offering is totally a time to talk, especially since its a few minutes away from our kids for me and my husband.
Turning off cell phones for church is just like turning off cell phones for movies. Its simple logic and shows that you respect the other people you’re around.
And at our church, the sound booth is at the very front-middle of the balcony, so its not any more isolated than the rest of the sanctuary.
Having only been to church services once or twice in my life and when I was quite young I have no idea what you are talking about, but I assume you mean the part where everybody drinks wine and eats crackers, or was it kool-aid everyone drinks?
No I think it’s cults that drink kool-aid and churches that drink the wine even though I thought drinking was a sin, maybe I have it backwards, this church stuff is too complicated for me.
The offertory is the part of the service when the church gathers everyone’s tithes and offerings. Usually there’s special music going on and it’s a safe time to chat quietly as the collection plate is passed around.
I believe you had the offering confused with communion. Communion is when the church shares bread and wine in remembrance of the Last Supper. Most Protestant churches serve grape juice instead of wine, but I think Catholics use actual wine in their service. I could be wrong about that considering I’m not Catholic. :)
Oooh she’s pretty.
When I was little, I remember asking my mom if I could drink her small cup of grape juice, because it was close to lunch time and I was really thirsty. She said I can’t.
I don’t know about the wine/grape juice. Maybe everyone started with wine and then some churches changed to grape juice because they all realized it’s probably not wise to be slightly intoxicated in leaving the parking lot from church. :]
We had a cell phone ring during church one Sunday and the minister said “the had better be God”. It was good for a chuckle and took a little embarrassment away from the cell phone owner.
Several years ago there were a couple of teenage girls talking during the sermon and the minister stopped and asked them if they would like to share with the congregation…talk about embarrassing!
I have a friend who is Catholic and she told me that the wine they use is not very tasty. She said it’s mostly vinegar.
I remember my protestant cousin came with us to mass and went up to drink from the cup. Her face walking back to the pew was priceless (we serve wine, not grape juice).
Ha ha. That’s comedy. :)
In Catholic churches wine is served, but it is not something regular. You just get wine at the mass occasionally, in really special occasions. At least here in Brazil. :-)
I’ve been to mass at a Catholic Church twice in DC and there were some differences (not that big, anyway) so I might be wrong about how it is conducted in the USA.
is that brookside church I see?
This is turning into a fun thread about the differences in Catholic and Protestant church services. :)
Chris – Yes!
Niiiiiice looking church! hahaha I have done the talk-in-church-between-the-stuff thing as well but you’re right talking during prayer is a no-no. That’s why they have texting, duh! (Just messin)
drinking is not a sin. sins occur after drinking too much. a shot might kill you but it wont make you drunk.
Biblically speaking, being drunk is a sin, while drinking is not. However, drinking at all makes you more vulnerable to other sins, so I personally advise not drinking at all as a good idea for any Christian. It takes very little alcohol to reduce inhibitions.
And actually, some people *can* get drunk from a shot. And even gain an alcohol addiction from taking a single drink. They tend to be the extreme in terms of susceptibility, but why take chances on the possibility?
I would also add a few more things:
1) If you *believe* that any drink is a sin, then for you to drink would be sin. This is true of anything, actually, according to Paul. If you think it’s a sin to do something, then it is a sin for you to do it, because you’d be choosing to intentionally do something you believed to be a sin. If you later learn that it’s not a sin, then you can do it with a clear conscience.
2) If seeing you do something might cause someone else to sin, then you shouldn’t do it. That applies both in the “causing a brother to stumble” clause, and in your witness to non-Christians around you. It’s worth asking yourself honestly if your non-Christian friends see your drinking as either a) a compromise of your faith, or b) an excuse for their own actions.